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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 07 Jan 2019 00:50 #1

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This is Rob's truck.
Owner of SuperXPower in Milaca, MN.

Almost 2 months ago, i put the groove on his TB, and capped off the pcv. There is a weak spot directly under where the groove goes. Having trouble posting pictures in the message, so I've attached them at the bottom.

Also, upon first start up it seemed hard to start. Turning over, but nothing happening until i tapped the gas pedal. I know its important to not do this with electronic throttles, but thats the only way it would start. After it did start, the idle was normal and smooth.

The customer had his first experience of "dryer vent exhaust" from a gas engine! Ill be posting his video soon. He said his truck was snappy before, but he had never driven his truck aggressively like he did after the groove.

I always check in with my customers if they havent called me in 2 weeks or so after they have the groove, and so ive called and reminded him throughout the weeks to make driving like that a habit if he wants better mileage, more power & lower emissions!

With 60k miles, the lifetime average before groove was 15.5mpgs. Recently over the phone he said he had driven about 4,000 miles with the groove, and gained little in mileage. He is very patient and says "We'll ride it out through summer and see how she does" Any ideas? Assuming his map sensor needs to be moved, exhaust wrapped, spark plugs gapped properly etc. I really want to get this guy better mileage!
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 07 Jan 2019 00:57 #2

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Here are some pictures of where i had to apply jb-quick for the weak spot, the pcv tube, crankcase breather tube, and the backside of the TB.
Was rushed a bit for time, he was closing early at noon, so i didn't think to get a picture of the groove. Just slapped it back on quick. I DID feel good about it's shape though!
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 07 Jan 2019 17:09 #3

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It's tough to see mileage gains in cold weather, when the truck's sensors see denser air and deliver fuel to compensate for that to maintain 14.7:1, but if the customer has seen an improvement, wait for spring to realize the full potential of your work.
also - and I had this happen with my vehicle - reduced fuel consumption means an engine might not get as hot, so the truck may be slipping in and out of closed loop. Partially blocking off my radiator helped.
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 08 Jan 2019 00:31 #4

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Is Ecoboost a direct Injection engine?

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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 08 Jan 2019 00:43 #5

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Apparently so:

That would be another explanation for lack of gains.
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 08 Jan 2019 01:37 #6

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Yes since 2011
EcoBoost F-150 Direct Injection Explained

EcoBoost F-150 Direct Injection Explained

EcoBoost F-150 Direct Injection Explained

In the evolution of engines, Ford has begun moving away from port injection and started to embrace direct injection. This guide will go over everything you need to know about direct injection Ford EcoBoost engines.

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The EcoBoost engine promises performance and fuel efficiency, and it delivers. Believe it or not, you can improve upon both of these qualities to make you truck more powerful and/or less thirsty. Fuel pump voltage boosters aid fuel delivery for modded engines, and fuel injectors that atomize better will improve your mpgs.

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Ford's Intro to Direct Injection Engines in F150's

First, we had carburetors. Then came along throttle body injection. Port injection followed soon after and was a major success. Nowadays, most manufacturers are adopting the latest fuel delivery technique of direct injection, particularly for turbocharged applications.

Albeit, direct injection is not something particularly new to the automotive world. The concept has been around for decades and has been widely used in the diesel engine market for quite some time. However despite being a known technique, it is only recently that we have seen a noticeable and widespread shift from port injection to direct injection across all manufacturers.

In regards to the F-150, the introduction of the EcoBoost engines back in 2011 simultaneously featured the first use of direct injection in the F-150 truck lineup.

2011-2018 F150 3.5l Ecoboost V6 Crate Engine
2011-2018 3.5L EcoBoost V6

The Significance of Port Injection 

When port fuel injection first became widely adopted, it was a big deal. It was a major step forward in terms of fuel delivery, and also for automotive electronics. It signified the fundamental computer-controlled basis we see applicable to all the F-150s of today. Gone are the mechanical cables and linkages and instead we now have an engine control unit (ECU) making thousands of calculations a second to operate the engine. With the electronic injectors controlled by a computer, fuel delivery could be more precise than it ever has been before and forms a strong argument as to why engines are as reliable and capable as they are today.

It no longer mattered what the temperature was outside, or what altitude you were at; the computer would take it all into account and calculate the necessary fuel actions to make for easy starts, smooth idles, and great operation every time you turn the key. Direct injection takes everything port injection has to offer and improves on it. Better power and fuel efficiency are just a few advantages of direct injection. We'll examine it shortly.

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How Port Injection Works

Port injection is pretty simple. Operating at pressures between 40-60 psi, one end of the fuel injector is connected to a rail, which supplies a constant stream of gas. The other end, the nozzle, is screwed into the intake manifold runner. When commanded to by the ECU, the injector activates and sprays a mist of fuel into the manifold (for example, at 2000 RPM, the injector is cycling approximately 17 times per second). When the intake valve opens, the mixture of air and fuel whooshes into the chamber where it is then ignited. 

One disadvantage of port injection is there are some inefficiencies which translate to decreased fuel economy. For example, even though the fuel and air mixture does not stay for long in the intake manifold runner, it is still there for sufficient time for some of the heavier fuel to drop onto the bottom of the runner and consequently not make it into the combustion chamber. Multiply this by each cylinder and the number of intake valve events over the course of a mile and there is a noticeable effect on fuel economy.

F150 2005-2018 Fuel Injector
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How Direct Injection F150 EcoBoost Engines Work

Direct injection eliminates the middleman that is the intake runner and instead sprays the fuel directly into the combustion chamber. The fuel injector is still connected to the main rail, but the nozzle is no longer screwed into the lower manifold. Rather the nozzle is now installed directly into the cylinder head itself with the tip protruding into the combustion chamber. Because fuel is now sprayed directly into the chamber, there is no fuel wasted like there was with port injection, and the fuel events can be further controlled with the precision that has never been seen before.

Spraying the fuel directly into the chamber lowers the temperature allowing for a higher compression ratio, which is better for combustion and makes more power. Direct injectors operate at pressures of several thousand PSI, which produces optimal fuel atomization to mix with the incoming air charge. In short, fuel efficiency is increased (by as much as 15%) and so is overall power. Direct injection, in conjunction with the turbochargers, are a major reason the 2.7L and 3.5L EcoBoost engines are able to produce the power that they do, and also produce the surprisingly good fuel economy numbers despite having to move a ½ ton truck (which in reality, despite the ½ moniker, weighs close to 5000 pounds).

 

Advantages of Direct Injection

  • Decreased combustion chamber temperatures 
  • Increased compression ratio
  • Increased power
  • Better fuel efficiency 

Disadvantages of Direct Injection 

Because the fuel is no longer entering past the intake valve, the fuel cannot act as a cleaning agent (as it does with port injection). Thus, some early model EcoBoosts experienced idling problems as carbon built up on the intake valve, most noticeable upon a cold start (where the very rich mixture needed for a cold start would wash down the cylinder walls, decreasing burn efficiency and increasing emissions and carbon buildup). Once the engines were brought to operating temperature, the problem would disappear, and thus made it very baffling for many owners.

The Future of the EcoBoost & the F-150

The approaching year has some very neat features coming to the F-150. The 3.5L EcoBoost engine has been redesigned nearly from the ground up. This second generation 3.5L V6 EcoBoost will feature a brand-new hybrid fuel system composed of both port and direction injection. By utilizing both methods of fuel delivery, we get the best of both worlds. Port injection will be used for cold starts and low loads whereas the direct injection system will take over once the engine has reached operating temperature or is under high load. Although it is a more complex system (nothing gets simpler these days) the advantages are obvious. 

​Maximum power and fuel efficiency, minimal emissions and the elimination of carbon buildup. This motor, set to produce 375 horsepower and 470 ft-lbs of torque, coupled with Ford's (actually co-developed with GM) all new electronic 10-speed automatic transmission should make for one beast of an F-150.

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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 08 Jan 2019 03:22 #7

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I'm going to stand by my earlier reply, Michael, and suggest that you might want to start looking into ignition improvements (Granatelli has coils for this engine) and sensor modifications (EFIE for the o2 sensors at least, if not MAP re-location and "enhancer" circuitry).
If the EcoBoost engines still use Ford's orifice tube and DPFE to operate the EGR, there are (rather, there were on the old forum; I'm not sure they've made the cut. I can probably dig something up for you if you need it) some posts about options with the EGR. I suspect the analog system of past has probably long been replaced with a digital computer-controlled EGR so who knows if what I'm talking about is germane in this case.

We had the discussion about direct injection engines on a thread about Nissan's Titan Trucks. EcoBoost Fords are now on the list as well it seems.

FOUND THE THREAD: GadgetmanGroove Forum - Gadgetguys with gas analyzers - EGR / DPFE test - Groovy Forums
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 08 Jan 2019 03:40 #8

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Thanks Greg. Yes it seems so. Ill look into this engine and its sensors/egr more. Ill mention Granatelli coils to him. I am, but i don't think he's the type to get the EFIE, or the map enhancer. Id like to know more about how those work too. I'll tell him about it and who knows! Good things might happen. I will re-locate his map, and wrap his 02 sensors though.
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 08 Jan 2019 15:34 #9

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The Granatelli coils are expensive - do the EFIE first.
Here's why, straight from the inventor: Eagle-Research: Innovating for a Sustainable, Healthier Future
Remember, with more complete combustion, the oxygen content of exhaust is higher than the factory sensors are programmed to see (your proof: dryer vent exhaust), so the computer will infer it needs to deliver more fuel - NOT what we're after here, right?
at $28 each, it's a no-brainer addition to our arsenal. (buy the manual once and it's yours forever...)

I should really get around to putting mine on, so that I'm less of a hypocrite...if it works out to get me another 30% or more (or even not that much) mileage on top of the groove etc, it's totally worth it.
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2016 Ford F-150 3.5L ecoboost 14 Jan 2019 14:09 #10

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Fellers, failure to achieve gains in direct injection engines has nothing to do with this, as the fuel is still injected (according to the YouTube research I've done on this) just before the valve. This indicates to me the name is a misnomer.

Look at the placement of the MAP sensor, using your enhanced awareness of flows and eddies. I believe you're going to find it located in a high pressure zone.

As The Groove amplifies both the lows AND the highs, this creates a counteropposition in the dynamics.

Look at the entire system before you make any assertions.

Remember, once you make a statement, you are leading others. Let's do a better job at being reliable and respected teachers, please.

When any of us share inaccurate info, we lead others down dead-end paths. This is more a disadvantage as it leads EVERYONE that follows, many, many who have yet to hear about The Groove.

Lean less on what you have been taught, and more on what you've learned!

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